November 16, 2004
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(23:15:04) Skeezer:
sorry, i’m not really up for too much laughter tonight…. a friend is being
deployed to iraq(23:15:12) Skeezer:
and he voted for bush….. i just don’t get it.(23:15:26) Skeezer:
i really, really don’t understand.(23:15:30) Saturnalia:
people do and believe what they think is right(23:15:43) Skeezer:
i know. i just don’t understand how they can think that is right.(23:16:11) Saturnalia:
just the same way that some people don’t think homosexuality is right and/or
can’t understand it(23:16:18) Saturnalia:
it’s all relative and subjective(23:16:27) Skeezer:
it’s hard, it’s very hard though.(23:16:39) Skeezer:
i totally understand the many gray areas of abortion(23:16:50) Skeezer:
but i don’t see how people can give a shit about gay marriage(23:16:59) Saturnalia:
i don’t get it either(23:17:07) Saturnalia:
at least it isn’t federally illegal(23:17:12) Skeezer:
and i don’t understand how people can so easily send our youth to die in a fucking
sand pit(23:17:17) Skeezer:
yeah, you’re right.(23:20:24) Skeezer:
i think the only thing i can do is have children and raise them to love and
not hate(23:20:29) Skeezer:
which is such a cliche, but so true(23:20:48) Saturnalia:
and that in of itself is a step towards changing the world(23:20:56) Skeezer:
yes.(23:20:57) Skeezer:
(23:21:28) Saturnalia:
eventually, we’ll get past all of this(23:21:49) Skeezer:
i hope so, rich…..(23:22:13) Saturnalia:
hope is a beautiful thing(23:22:22) Saturnalia:
much better than religious faith(23:22:51) Skeezer:
that could be true(23:23:06) Saturnalia:
it is(23:23:08) Saturnalia:
think about it(23:23:16) Saturnalia:
hope, for the most part, relies on us(23:23:32) Saturnalia:
religious faith relies on some invisible entity that may or may not exist(23:24:21) Skeezer:
yes, hope is definitely more reliant on us, then.(23:25:09) Saturnalia:
it’s my gut feeling that people at this point, as a race…(23:25:37) Saturnalia:
are like the angsty, irrational, maladjusted teenagers we all are in our early
lives(23:25:42) Skeezer:
lol(23:25:46) Saturnalia:
seriously(23:25:50) Saturnalia:
thinking about it(23:26:03) Saturnalia:
a race or person is born, created, what have you(23:26:10) Saturnalia:
it grows and evolves(23:26:18) Saturnalia:
as a race, or as a person(23:26:41) Saturnalia:
we go through stages(23:26:58) Saturnalia:
slowly getting more mature and more responsible and more understanding(23:27:02) Skeezer:
yeah(23:27:08) Saturnalia:
i mean think about just 75 yrs ago(23:27:24) Saturnalia:
homosexuality wasn’t even talked about, much less gay marriage debated(23:27:35) Skeezer:
yup(23:27:38) Saturnalia:
you’d just as like get shot in the face for it(23:27:47) Saturnalia:
women couldn’t vote(23:27:53) Saturnalia:
segregation(23:28:06) Skeezer:
yeah, we’ve still got a way to go, but we’ve come a long way too(23:28:07) Saturnalia:
we’re getting better at this whole being a civilization thing(23:28:09) Skeezer:
(23:28:19) Saturnalia:
we just need more practice, more growth(23:29:17) Skeezer:
i agree.(23:29:21) Skeezer:
it just sucks right now(23:29:22) Skeezer:
lol(23:29:25) Saturnalia:
yeah(23:29:55) Saturnalia:
but if we raise our children right, and in turn, they raise their children,
so on and so forth…(23:29:59) Saturnalia:
we’ll get it right(23:30:30) Skeezer:
well, i’ll do my part(23:30:45) Saturnalia:
it’s all we can ever do(23:30:50) Saturnalia:
is our own part(23:31:59) Saturnalia:
i’m going to save this and post it
Comments (24)
thanks for sharing
Nice chat.
Although it sounds just as unreliable to rely on ourselves than to rely on a god, imho. I think we are too fucked up, as a race, to rely on just ourselves. (Don’t get me wrong; I’m not religious in the slightest.)
I believe in hoping. I just don’t think it’ll ever reach “world peace” stages…which saddens me.
great conversation. i absolutely agree with the points you two brought up wrt iraq/bush/abortion/gay marriages…
but what is “right”? it is all relative and subjective.
This election proved to me that the non-hating, non-warring of us are in the minority. That is the sad part. I’m happy to see others who want to teach their kids to love, but how do we gain the upper hand? Past generations seemed to care more. Half or our age group didn’t even vote!
Thanks for the semi-uplifting chat.
Amen, HardTOPlease. I just can’t see us getting the upper hand anytime soon enough.
Beautiful conversation, Rich. I’m glad you posted it.
everybody go make lotsa children!
This is f-ing awesome.
–L
as long as we, as a civilization keep moving forward we will be okay. this past election makes me wonder tho.
I linked to your post so some of my conservative readers can see something of value. Thanks for having a brain/heart and using it.
You really made me feel better, Rich. And I’m definitely going to do my part.
I feel popular now, too.
sorryeverybody.com…love it..haha
Kinda glad you’ve never posted one of our chats, dearie.
Otherwise, made me feel the warm fuzzies.
TheSextet is ours for the taking.
thanks for sharing that. somehow it’s reassuring to see that some people actually care for what’s going on in this world, and wonder and worry about what’s to come next.
hope is sometimes all we have!!!!!
thanks for sharing this great conversation! and it was nice to see you over at mine
i hope you have a nice week!
Hope!
what I needed this morning.
I’m going to Iraq and I am all for Bush.
Ooh rah
Its awesome that u have such strong beliefs… i just wish u weren’t so blind to God. He’s wonderful!
I say that as a generalization. I know God is neither a He nor a She but I don’t want to call God an It. Why are you so convinced we’re better on our own?
“religious faith” as you call it, might seem like faith in something like a church, or a belief, but for me, I have Hope in something that never changes. if what you put your hope in changes, then what’s the use in relying on it? what is better, what is “good”? who sets the standard? who says that everyone has the right to life and happiness? john locke said it hundreds of years ago, but that idea was not his own, he stole it.
To answer your comment in my Guestbook, I think hope does inherently come from within. Most definitely. But I don’t think we can rely on it. Hope is not absolute. And faith in a higher being or a higher state of existence is also, in my humble opinion, a part of the equation. I am not a religious person, so religion and dogma have no place in my life. But… I do believe in equal parts humanity and spirit, and that reliance on either, without the other, creates a precarious imbalance.
But I do understand, and mostly agree with, your thoughts in this chat. And I do agree that we’ve come a long way in the last 75 years. Perhaps we can make it.
Martin Luther King, Jr. in his “I See the Promised Land” speech wrote, “only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars.” I think this is a similar time we’re living in, and it will get better. Thank you for posting this conversation, which I only just got around to reading
i’m upset that bush was re-elected, and my sister ship if going to iraq in mid december… my ship is going probably in 2006….
cheers
~sailor michelle